Hello! Saturday, from 23:15 to 0:50, we had the show registered wednesday last, under the French national TV 2 chain, show Du Fer dans les Epinards , star presentator Christophe Dechavanne (he has already led some charges against sects in the past and has had many prime time shows till last year). TOPIC: the show was about the french government and other agencies activities in the struggle against cults. Were present: - M. Alain VIVIEN, deputy, president of the first Assemblée Nationale's Commission to study sects and cults, in 1982, now the President of the CCMM (Centre Contre les Manipulations Mentales, a sort of Factnet in France, but not using the Net facilities) - M. Alain GEST, deputy, President of the second Commission against Sects, whose report was done in 1995 (see the complete long text at <http://www.assemblee-nat.fr/systex.cgi?CONNEXION=SECTES - M. Guerrier de Dumast, President of the newly formed OIS , Interministerial Observatory of Cults - M. x, deputy, member of the second Commission against sects; - M. x, Mayor of Paris 12th Arrondissement, where Scienos have installed after having been bannkrupted in 199(4) - M. x, Mayor of Louviers, where Jehovas Witnesses have installed most of their french infrastructure some years ago; - M. George FENECH, the excellent Lyon Judge having instructed the Scientology suit since 1991 - M. x, judge specialized into children's affairs - M. PESENTI, the attorney having attacked Scienos during Lyon's suit and Lyon's appeal Court in July 97. - Another Attorney against sects and cults, having yet 300 folders under his arms... - Writers: Serge Faubert, author of Une secte au Coeur de la République Bernard Fillaire, author of some books on sects, one being very devoted to scientology self-called church (Le Grand Décervelage) Isabelle Sebagh, ex -member of Iso-Zen having written a book against Iso-Zen sect, founded in France and now installed after some suit in Holland; Myself, as an ex-member of scieno and a writer; Others: - CCMM members and President - already named; - Mesdames Bouvier de Cachard, founder and President of the Secticide (I have the same name as them for my web site); they are mother and aunt of a scientologist suing them since years; - M. Fish, husband and father of two members of the sect Albert Prince (or so) - M. X, ex-member of Jehova's Witnesses having lost wife and four children in the Jehovas Kingdom - Père X, sort of Public Relations for the French Roman Catholic Church; - Doctor Merckx, a practician having to act on the Jehovas Witnesses when they refuse blood transfusions for their children. Around 100 free spectators were also there in the circle, and some of them asked questions or gave opinions. WHAT WAS SAID (Resume: an one and half hour long show would be very hard to give entirely): 1/ What was done during the last years by govt agencies: - since Januray 1995, few actions were really very efficient; the Assemblée Nationale Report on Cults was done and much used in the media, but unfollowed by many actions; between the most important was the suit led by the french Ministry of Education (the biggest ministry in France with more than 700000 employees) against the well-known 'Ecole de l'Eveil', a scieno affair supposed to teach school to scieno children. This is now closed by justice decision, and apparently, could be trying to open upon another name elsewhere. - The OIS (Interministerial Observatory on Cults) was founded last year, and a first report of activities is supposed to be given to the various participating Ministeries in December; nevertheless, we did not learn anything from this organism, and it was evident - as said by M. Gest, one of its upper members, that the organism is not very active: he did not organized any metteing between its members since June, and its president M. Guerrier de Dumast was unable to quote any real activity done, except the fact that they received 11000 letters from Jehovas' Witnesses after the OIS opening. - It is to be noted that we did not learn any decisions taken to stop cults from acting, except those few done since years against Scientology, whose condemnations were led by the french IRS services, and by the National Social Insurances (URSSAF), who get Paris Org and Paris CC out of activity (8 millions $ amends and delayed payments having led french court of affairs to liquidate both; but both reappeared some street later!), and anew against scientology in the Lyon suit, and also against some others - unnamed - in few suits led by ex-members. MOST QUOTED: Scientology self-called church Jehovas Witnesses INFILTRATION/SPYING Though most officials denied it, it was proven very amusingly the continuing spying of scienos against any official activity. M. FENECH, the french instruction Judge, said he was followed, subjected to pressures emanating from cult puppets named : TRAVOLTA; MIGENES JOHNSON, XAVIER DELUC between else. He wrote a book on this (one I did not know and will read as soon as I get it, I'll give some concepts emanating). How scienos trapped themselves in: just aside M. Fenech and before me was a guy. He asked to speak a little time after my speech against the 'religiosity' of the scieno cult, to counter what I had just said about scientology ( and for what I was applauded, as I repeated that nobody has never said it was a religion, but themselves, and this was confirmed for France by Judge FENECH) He presented himself as a scieno - and was permitted to speak though uninvited, but Christophe Dechavanne asked him not to proselytize during this: he was unable to restrain and was rapidly cut-off. Then some minutes later, Dechavanne saw that another guy in the first rank was writing everything on a paper: he asked him who he was, and his acolyte near him: though they tried to lie first, they were forced to admit they were also scienos! The first one then took the speech again and tried to say that more than 150 justices decisions had been done WWide, saying scientology was a religion, to which I assened more than once that it was a lie and he was misinformed, and himself was heartily hooted by everybody in the assistance - as the two others were
) He was: I saw the paper he was preciously keeping in hands: that was a rewriting (instead of a photocopy) of the french appeal's court decision , July 28th; though I did not read it entirely (impossible to do), I can say it was most probably cut and rewritten from original by OSA goons; it was not even a faked photocopy, but a text from a computer's file. From then on, he was unable to speak again, and the main affair was proven: though not informed by the Studios or the TV, 3 scienos were there. ALSO: Isabelle Sebagh, the ex-Iso-Zen member, was pursuing the french government for violation of the secret in her witnessing near the Assemblee Nationale Commission in 1994; she found her witnessing by a journalist some times after, and a complete list of the persons having been interrogated by the Commission was also there, despite the secrecy: it showed some infiltrator was doing the job for scienos; once exposed, the misdemeanor was queried by Philippe SEGUIN, the President of the Assemblée Nationale, but we did not learn WHO was the guilty, only that the person having given the infos was not a deputy. IMPORTANT OTHER POINTS: Children in cults: A large accent was pushed onto children mistreatment and french legal possibilities to handle: Judge Fenech said there were possibilities to do many things, though it was visible that few was done. We had at least three different stories from mistreatments on children or young persons; we learned that the MANDAROM cult's founder (le Messie Cosmo-Planétaire - the Cosmo-planetarian Messiah Gilbert BOUDIN or so) in Castellane - south france - had been released from jail though indicted for minor rape since two years; we also learned - as an exemple of inadequation between justice and methods used by sects - that more than 100 children of the children of God - Les enfants de Dieu had been interrogated by judge in southern france without justice being able to prove the rapes and so on, as I understood. Isabelle Sebagh insisted heavily on this sort of apparent inadequation - not to say collusion perhaps - between agencies and sects, and the children judge exposed some methods that can be used (but do not seem very used in facts: french justice is very low on staffs and money). Michelle Bouvier, the mother of her french scieno daughter having attacked her in court, was heavily applauded for her story of the matter with her daughter. M. Fish showed us the true Chrit's blood and other 'miraculous devices' used in some sects like Les Trois Saints Coeurs and a japan sect whose name I do not remember. M. X, the ex-Jehova, exposed some of the Jehovas Witnesses methods: by instance, when he got some doubts about JW beliefs and methods, he was continually invaded/overruned at home by a lot of JWs, from wakening to evening: his wife was opening the doors to them... M. Alain GEST, the president of the second commission at the Assemblée Nationale, exposed that he wrote more than once to the Prime Minister to indicate that he knew that a Printing House from JWs was paying its staffs 170 $ a month, and nothing was done against -this illegal treatment, probably because it was a sect... Some of the Roman Catholic Church was attacked by critics because at least one of its high ranking officers had written nonsenses about sects: this priest, the Père VERNETTE, has said that Roman Catholic were not to speak of sects but of new religions... I can assure you that some years ago, he was not so good with cults. CONCLUSION: It is clear to me that OIS is not doing much, and that french govt, except for some actions, has not taken the problem very seriously till now. So, I'll have to handle this as far and fast as possible, and to check some infos I had outside
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