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Dear Newsgroup, I do not know if this book will inform the discussion on the Stradling marriage, but there is a new biography of Margaret Pole that was published in 2003:   Margaret Pole, 1473-1541, by Hazel Pierce, University of Wales Press; (April 1, 2003),  ISBN: 0708317839. Best, Linda
 
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Daer Linda, Thank you for listing the biography of Margaret Pole. She and her, Cardinal Pole are of particular interest to me since I am researching Archbishop George Dowdall of Ireland.  The Cardinal befriended the Archbishop and that is when I found out about the tragedy of the Cardinal's family. Thank you, Margaret - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - 
 
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Some Dowdall questions: 1.  Paget's ancestry of Prince Charles includes the following descent: P56641  Sir John Dowdall O28321  Sir John Dowdall of Newtown, m. Anne Batome N14161  Lawrence Dowdall of Glasspistol, m. Isabella FitzRichard of Glasspistol M7081   John Dowdall of Glasspistol, m. Eleanor Marwood of Skrine L3541   Edward Dowdall of Glaspistol (d. VI.III.1590), m. Eleanor Galtrim of Dundalk K1771   John Dowdall of Glasspistol, Co. Louth, m. Anne Cusack of Cushington, Co. Meath J886    Mary Dowdall of Glasspistol, Co. Louth, m. William Smyth of Dundrum, Co. Down Is it known if either of the two Sir Johns is possibly the one that married Margaret Dartois (or the father of that one)? 2. From a very early (and probably not very reliable) edition of Burke's Landed Gentry, I can piece together the following interesting descent: Sir John Dowdall (living 1450);  m. (her 1st) Margaret [called Maude in BLG] D'Artois Sir Thomas Dowdall (probably d. 1510) Sir William Dowdall Sir William Dowdall Sir John Dowdall Sir John Dowdall of Kilfinny, Limerick, m. Elizabeth Southwell Elizabeth Dowdall, m. Sir Hardress Waller (the regicide)  [and eventually to Princess Diana] Can this descent be confirmed?  Any details on the spouses of the various Dowdalls? 3.  From Burke's Irish Family Records, Elinor, only child of Sir Thomas Dowdall by his wife Elizabeth, elder dau. and co-heiress of Sir Robert Hollywood, m. John Nangle, 16th Baron of Navan.  This Sir Thomas is presumably NOT the same one mentioned above (unless the only child reference is wrong) - can he be connected to the rest of the family? 4.  You mention that Margaret Dartois had a daughter Alison by Sir Rowland FitzEustace, 1st Lord Portlester.  But CP 7:232 says first that Alison was apparently dau. by FitzEustace's 1st wife, Joan [Bellew], widow of Christopher Plunket, 1st Lord Killeen.  However, CP also adds a footnote saying According to some accounts, Alison is said to have been da. of Lord Portlester by Margaret [Dartois] .  I wonder if there's been more recent research on this point. 5.  I've seen a number of variations on the surname of Joan, the wife of Sir Jenico Dartois - including Plunket, Serjeant, and Taafe.  None have been adequately supported (except perhaps Serjeant in CP 6:20).  What's the evidence for Cusack?  Any information on her family? {or his?] John Higgins Who begot whom is a most amusing kind of hunting - Horace Walpole - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
 
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Pole are of particular interest to me since I am researching Archbishop George Dowdall of Ireland.  The Cardinal befriended the Archbishop and that is when I found out about the tragedy of the Cardinal's family. Thank you, Margaret
 
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Dear Andrian, Will look through my research material,  possibly Archbishop Browne's wife's name might be mention in the Dowdall's register.  I just checked one reference and it didn't mention her name.  To give you a little background, which you might already have.
 
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