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wf3h (Visitor)

evolution occurs as a result of Increase in information doesn't happen in natural selection

I have gone to great lengths NOT use the word macroevolution in this forum because there exists a popular idea that speciation is an example of macroevolution . You can go back in my past threads of this subject area and see this for yourself. gee thats the way scientists use it. no wonder you're confused. you're moving the goalposts. when evolution is shown, you just redefine the concepts so it doesnt. and when queried about how creationism happens...you mutter some vague meaningless generalizations and that's how creationism works.

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Roy Thearle (Visitor)

evolution occurs as a result of Increase in information doesn't happen in natural selection

Common-descent evolutionists are the ones who have compared this with that . They do this all the time with fossils. They compare one fossil skeleton that has a lack of spiked armor on its back to another (stegasaurus) with spiked armor on its back and say that there must have been an increase in morphology through common-descent lineages. They compare one animal skeleton which exhibits no claws to another skeleton which exhibits retractable claws and say that there must have been an increase in morphology through common descent lineages. They compare one cell without a flagella to one with a flagella and say that there must have been an increase in morphology through common descent lineages. Etc., etc. . . Increase in morphology ? You have some way of measuring it? Does a mammal have more morphology than a dinosaur? Does an octopus have more or less than a lobster? Can you have a decrease in morphology? How about giving us some numbers? Can you quote anyone else _ever_ talking about an increase in morphology ? Or are you just spouting gibberish? Roy

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Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. (Visitor)

evolution occurs as a result of Increase in information doesn't happen in natural selection

all you lack is a demonstration that what you say is true. being a creationist, you have a bias against science...but we already know that I have a bias against a certain evolving interpretation of observations which is called science by you and your friends. It shouldn't be called science because it is _base_d on assumptions which are faith-_base_d. Science is _base_d on observations which can be demonstrated in laboratory conditions. No one has demonstrated that an organism can have an increase in morphology (with added function) through scientific observation (lab experiments). Since this doesn't seem to be demonstratable, the macro-evolving ideas that are touted as science and fact need to be called interpretations of scientific observations (instead of science ) and possibilities (instead of fact ). [SNIP] The remainder of your post is _base_d on your strawman definition of science. Here's a few _link_s that may get you back on track: http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node5.html http://buglady.clc.uc.edu/biology/bio104/sci_meth.htm http://www.project2061.org/tools/sfaaol/sfaatoc.htm http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html

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hebrew (Visitor)

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Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. (Visitor)

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Until you sequence the DNA of both cells in question and identify every gene and its function, you cannot say which has more information. Which student is carrying more information in his arms

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mel turner (Visitor)

evolution occurs as a result of Increase in information doesn't happen in natural selection

We must account for how organisms increase in complexity and become adapted to their environment. AFAIK, speciation does not really address this question. Again, to a significant extent speciation is a separate subject from adaptation, although both processes may often be happening together, and no doubt adaptive changes may sometimes even lead to the reproductive isolation of populations [i.e., to speciation]. cheers

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